David Krauss:                     00:00                    There are vested powerful interests that are interested in putting clamps on short term rentals. I’m not going to say exactly who we’re talking about but you’ve probably stayed in one of their hotels or all of their hotels because they want the profit. In order to fight that battle, we need to raise our game.

Julian Sage:                       00:18                    This is up number 58 of the short term rental success stories podcast. Are you an investor that’s looking to have your home professionally managed? Got a cohostit.com more information. Welcome back to short term rentals, success stories. I’m your host Julian Sage. This is a show where I talk to hosts about their journeys and starting and growing the short term rental business. My goal is that you’ll be able to walk away with practical information that’ll help you become a better host and learn how to scale your business like any exceptional hosts. We all strive for five star reviews, so please go on over to iTunes and let us know what you enjoy. It really helps support the show if you haven’t done so already, go on over to our Facebook group, the host nation to connect with the community. What is going on host nation?

Julian Sage:                       00:59                    I’m super excited to be back again with you this week, so just yesterday, Airbnb announced that they are going to be rolling out this new thing which they’re calling the cleaning protocol, which is their enhanced or intense cleaning checklists that hosts are going to have to be able to comply with in order to get a boost in search. One of the big things that has gotten under a lot of hosts’ skin with this new proposal or this new thing that they are going to be rolling out is that they are going to be limiting hosts that do follow these cleaning guidelines, ensuring that there is a 24 hour window that the place is vacant. So if you are going to be part of this cleaning protocol and following these CDC guidelines that Airbnb is going to be basically doing as a certification program from what it sounds like, you are going to have to withhold from hosting for 24 hours in the property and up to 72 hours.

Julian Sage:                       01:54                    If you do not have all of your cleaning standards to be able to qualify for their program. I made a video review yesterday on my thoughts of this new Airbnb news that was released to us. So if you want to go and check that out, go to YouTube or you can just go to shorttermsage.com/ youTube and subscribe to the channel where that video has been posted. I’ll also be including the link to the video in the show notes of this episode, so of course go to shorttermsage.com/str58 to listen to that. In this episode, we have the special honor of speaking with David Krauss. Again who is in our success stories episode 31 where David talks about how he got started into hosting and also about noise aware. So for those of you that don’t know, David Krauss is one of the co founders of noiseaware.

Julian Sage:                       02:47                    And recently David stepped away from noiseaware to be able to focus all of his attention on his other company rent responsibly, which focuses on empowering short term rental advocates to build a sustainable future for term rentals in their community. David and rent responsibly help us, the short term rental community allow our stories to be heard and really advocate for the short term r rights. In this episode, David talks about the importance of getting involved, telling your story, and making sure those stories are captured. One of the ways that David is capturing stories is by just finding out how are hosts being impacted during this time. As you can kind of see the theme from a lot of the guests that have been coming on the shows is just them telling their stories about how they are being impacted during this time. What David is doing though is he’s taking that information and trying to make it a little bit more visible.

Julian Sage:                       03:37                    So there is a survey that I would love for you to go fill out. If you go to shorttermsage.com/rentresponsibly, you can fill out a survey that will be for rent responsibly and it’s just an impact survey. You can put your information in there and the survey is really quick. It takes like less than five minutes and it’ll just help for hosts to be able to tell their story and really understand what is the impact of hosts during this time. Right now. It’s more important than ever to be able to come together and help unify our story and our voices. So again, go to short term sage.com backslash rent responsibility to fill out that survey. And of course you can find it on the show notes page. With all that being said, on this week’s conversation. Hey welcome back host nation to another episode of short term rental success stories.

Julian Sage:                       04:21                    In this episode, we have the special honor of speaking with our good friend David Krauss from rent responsibly, prior to that noise aware. We actually interviewed and spoke with David in episode three one. So we are quite a few episodes now forward. But if you want to go listen to that conversation with David where he talks about noise aware and hosting then definitely go and check out shorttermsage.com backslash/31 for that episode. It was a really good conversation, but now we have David back on again. Well, what are we going to be talking about today, David?

David Krauss:                     04:53                    We’re going to talk about rent responsibly. We’re going to talk about our find the helpers campaign. We’re going to talk about hope in the time of COVID and we’re going to talk about self care!

Julian Sage:                       05:03                    Yes. David, you’ve been doing a lot of self care. So let’s, let’s just start off with where were you prior to this pandemic? Were you prepared for something like this? Was this something that was even on your radar or was it a total shock to the system?

David Krauss:                     05:17                    I predicted it, man. I’m the only one who saw this coming. No, of course not. It was really interesting I think with respect to preparation or being aware and ready. I think invariably nobody was ready. Yeah. You start to see these YouTube circulating and bill Gates, you know, a number of years ago talking about all this stuff. And of course, the reality is we had a really good stretch in the short term rental space for half a decade or more in terms of like, you know, the growth and the tools that were, and, and everybody seemed to be getting in on it. That aim to a screeching halt in a way that I think we’ll talk about today and we’ll talk about next month and we’ll talk about for years. And,uas we mentioned prior to the call, it’s an opportunity,ujust like every moment of every life. But this is a particularly distinct one in that,uI think a lot of people are gonna dial in and, and thrive on the other side of this.

Julian Sage:                       06:23                    Now dialing in and thriving, I mean from rent responsibility. Now, you know, part of rent responsibility, if you wouldn’t mind educating the audience about what are you guys’ missions?

David Krauss:                     06:33                    Sure. So rent responsibly.org You can go check it out. Rent responsibility is an organization. It’s built around the stakeholders in the short term rental space. And our mission is to build a sustainable future for the stakeholders of the short term rental space. So what does that mean in plain English? We’re thinking five years out and 10 years out and looking at how we can meaningfully contribute to the ecosystem and build tools that are necessary to make sure that we’re building a sustainable future. So maybe that wasn’t even English. 10 now a dumb to put in layman’s terms. Maybe by way of example, we see the number one frontier right now as the regulatory environment. Anybody who’s met me over the years on a short term rental space knows that this is just a passion of mine. Something that I just think does not work yet, but it needs to work for us to have a sustainable future.

David Krauss:                     07:39                    There’s too many cities that ban or shun or don’t realize that they need to harness short term rentals. And then there’s too many communities that I think they don’t need to be in a too many. These are communities of short term rental owners, hosts and managers that aren’t yet engaged in that process of creating rules and regulations. And so we’re trying to bridge that gap. That’s our primary focus right now. I’ll add our secondary two focuses are celebrating the short term rental industry. That’s part of telling our story and it’s a media play. It’s a content play. It’s why I love talking to you because you have a big and growing audience. Congratulations on all the success and I’m excited about what you’re going to do next too. And thenthe other main focus is education. That was another, another thing we’ve connected around, but just educating people internally in the industry, what’s important, how to be compliant, how to run your business more effectively and efficiently. And then also educating the rest of the world about the value of a short term vacation rental. Why we’re different, what’s our unique value proposition? Those are our primary focus.

Julian Sage:                       08:46                    I love that about you David, because your focus is to help people written responsibly. Really it’s not like you’re selling anything. You’re, you’re, you’re helping people, you’re educating people. Like I just went onto your website and you’re trying to help people get connected with first responders. You guys are just super passionate about, you know helping the community, helping the short term mental space. Now, you know, with that, that kind of being like your whole focus, you know, what, what have you also seen though as far as like, you know hosts being impacted through this time you’re sharing a lot of success stories and a lot of people that are, you know, fruitful and short term renting. But right now it’s really challenging. How is that impacting you personally?

David Krauss:                     09:30                    Yeah, I mean for better, for worse, I don’t know if you can see these are Rose colored glasses, but we the, the harm and the personal toll and the stress and the business crucible, that moment that we’re under is raw, is not well documented and no industry can document very well in real time. I think we will find out just how bad things are and we’re in short order. That said, as I mentioned before, I’m thinking five years out,

David Krauss:                     10:04                    So the fact that some listeners may have already closed up shop or the fact that some people have changed, they’re one unit to long term rental and may never go back to anything less than 30 days. Totally understandable. Matter of fact, I’ve done that with my own short term rental and then I have another one that’s absolutely vacant and I’m just, I’ve basically given up as for a forbearance on my mortgage and you know, wait a little bit. So I, I’m, I’m part of that side too. I feel the pain. I’m hemorrhaging, you know, thousands of dollars a month as well. And it sucks. It really does. But that doesn’t work. Nobody was entitled to

David Krauss:                     10:51                    To be insulated against something bad. I mean, I’ve said this all the time. Every single investment you make, every single thing you do, every single business that starts, has inherent risks, inherent risk. It just blew up in her face. And nobody could calculate this risk ahead of time. That said, the question now is in what is happening on a macro level to any individuals? What’s happening? What are you doing about it? And so I talk about what I’m doing about it with ground responsibly. I am focused on multiple years out in order to think about where, what do we need to start putting in place now? And there’s a lot of stuff that you’ll, and hopefully everybody will be seeing in the coming weeks and months. Including one thing I can announce today, I don’t know when this will launch, but next week, so it’s April 17.

David Krauss:                     11:41                    Today, roughly seven days from now folks will, should be able to take a survey that we’re launching with some partners and the survey is going to be around the IM really some of these personal impacts on businesses and people in order to get that information in a survey form so we can then go out to the larger world government entities, et cetera and really advocate with strengthened data and then also be able to tell the personal stories. So that’s where short term humans are short term rentals series with our focus on helpers and people who are helping the COBIT moment and data will come together like a, you know, to do pieces of a puzzle and we can really with strength advocate because as you know, there’s 13 plus States, that’s an old statistic cause it’s two days ago that have already put severe restrictions on ability to short term Florida. Almost half of the countries, short term rental activity has put a massive clamp on their own vacation rental industry and they have to for for public health reasons. That’s okay. How are we going to get out of it?

Julian Sage:                       12:48                    One of the things with that is could there be some lasting affects like you know, in the, in the military they, for the coast guard in specific, like they’ve restricted YouTube access because a lot of people at home, they’re, you know, using these workstations these computers and they’re taking up a lot of bandwidth. So they’re blocking certain sites that take a lot of bandwidth. But we don’t know moving forward after this, are they going to leave these sites closed? I mean, are they going to let these things sit by just because it’s like, Oh, well, you know, it, you know, it’s making the, the network faster or it’s allowing us to be able to become more focused. So let’s just leave those things out. Do you imagine or can you see those types of situations happening with States that are limiting short term rentals moving forward after this event?

David Krauss:                     13:35                    I don’t anticipate that happening. I can guarantee that will happen. And I’ll tell you why. There’s a couple of reasons. First and foremost, just like every business has to deal with Cove. It as a disaster. It is fundamentally, and NME, we’re going to go some military stuff, you know, kind of concepts here. It’s a, it’s an enemy that doesn’t discriminate. It’s not a centralized enemy, right? It’s not a model. If there’s not a King of all Covitz saying go here, go there. It’s an opportunistic enemy and it’s it, it works like a network effect, right? Like one person can spread, it can spread it, spread it. So there’s a massive fear element and you can’t fight it. So to speak with the opposite mentality, meaning you need to, you need a Marshall in network approach where you’re diffusing information down to each and every person involved as opposed to one person sitting up on high saying like, we’re going to charge the frontlines tomorrow.

David Krauss:                     14:37                    This is really the military concept is a Navy seal concept, which is something I’ve been studying. And that’s that it’s centralized mission and decentralized command. So if you think about it, how does that apply to short term rentals? And yeah, it means that at the end of the, the peripheral on each and every unit [inaudible] a real factor. And how we behave as our lowest common denominator, right? That the bad actor, so to speak, who’s not following the rules, who might be trying to rent despite the statewide ban? Well, those ads are public and this happened in Vermont where the, the state sees these ads, you know, just that person on the end and they ban it for everybody. So how do we roll that back? We need to make sure we are distributing the mission too, these end points and working together to advocate for ourselves for what are reasonable rollback provisions.

David Krauss:                     15:39                    And so that’s one enemy is just the nature of the battle and obese. I tried to recap a podcast I heard earlier about this, like nature of the network, a enemy. Anyways, the other, the other battle we’re fighting it are the domestic or the, the kind of human human enemies, if you will. I hate to call it that. Let me rephrase that. There are vested powerful interests that are, are interested in putting clamps on short term rentals. I’m not going to say exactly who we’re talking about, but you’ve probably stayed in one of their hotels or all of their hotels. It’s the friggin hotel a lot. I am going to say it. And they have been pushing out a strategy to highlight all of the negative impacts and hyperbolic claims about short term and vacation rentals for years. Well guess what? They’re in state city, federal, sorry. State city, state, the federal level at all levels that are trying to put the screws on our industry cause they want the profit and it’s, you know, we’re going to be fighting over a shrunken pie at this point. So it’s going to be bad.

David Krauss:                     16:50                    And so in order to do, in order to fight that battle, we need to raise our game. They’re going to say we have standards and short term rentals don’t, they’re already saying that. What are the cleaning standards in short term rentals? I didn’t get a checklist when I started. So we’re starting to work on these things because if we can stand up and say, look, this is a CDC approved checklist and we’re following it, now we can move on to the next battle. So we’re going to be, there’s, there’s a lot of forces against us. Well, we have innovation, we have passion, we have local control and economies that are going to be benefiting from us. And you know, we have Julian Sage, so like what else do we need?

Julian Sage:                       17:29                    You know, David, it’s, it’s one of those things. And one of the other things that, that we’ve seen is even, even with the podcasts, like, you know, you know, I can see right there, like just the amount of traffic, the amount of people that have just kind of like stopped listening to the show just because they, they’re, they’re either defeated or they feel like, you know, the time has come for the short term rental space. But this is what you’re kind of saying is our, you know, our, our crucifying moment, like this is the moment where we really need to be focused on, you know, how are we going to respond after this? Because, you know, right now the hotels, they’re, they’re getting bailout money there. They’re getting supported by, by the government. And what we’ve been seeing is short term rentals, haven’t been getting that same type of support you know, strictly just even just outright banning them in, in many States. How can you see us coming back from this type of situation moving forward if, you know, hosts are going out of business, if people are, you know, just moving onto the next business venture, whether that’s long term rentals or whatever that is in that real estate market. How do you see us recovering from this?

David Krauss:                     18:32                    That’s a great question. I don’t think that there is, it was, the phrase that I heard that I liked is it’s not going to be a new normal, it’s going to be a next normal. And what that means to me is if anybody expects it to go back to the way it was, just get lost. You’re not reading the facts. The facts are that we’ve had attrition, catastrophic. I mean it’s been an extinction of our industry. So we’re rebuilding a new version of our industry, the next version. And it’s not, you’re gonna feel normal until it’s the way it is. And I think the key elements of that are we need to take standardization around minimum requirements of what it means to be, you know, safe, how to be habitable. Housekeeping guidelines, all those things like we should be embracing them and we will.

David Krauss:                     19:25                    And that’s where rent responsibility is going to lead because we’re just going to get trampled and stomped if we don’t. And, and frankly, it’s the right thing to do. So I think there has obviously been a thinning of the herd I’ve read today stay Alfred is no longer really, it has a low likelihood of coming back. Lyric raised $160 million. I love the leadership team there. I’ve known them a long time. I feel terrible, but it is what it is. This is, you know, an accelerated evolution, accelerated Darwinism. That said, it doesn’t mean that the demand for this accommodation type one anywhere. Do you think people are going to want to just say, you know what, there aren’t as many rentals. Therefore I want to spend a seven day holiday with my family reunion in a holiday Inn express insane. I actually think it will be higher quality demand in that there are, there’s already now an educated public about what value they’re artists or short term rentals, but they’re going to look for different things.

David Krauss:                     20:31                    If I’m shopping for a short term rental, I want to know that there were proper products to use when the housekeeper was there. So I know that disinfecting happened where, you know, on the level at which the CDC or whoever it says, you’re supposed to use this to kill that and you know, let’s, let’s move on. We’re not going to be talking about COVID forever, but the standards could stick forever, which is a good thing. We’re going to get more consistent, positive consumer experiences. And I guess what higher standards means? Higher confidence from neighbors, from cities, these other relevant stakeholders that have a good reason to put a ban in place. We need to give them a good reason to take the screws off of us and we’re going to do that. And rent responsibly is going to lead. I’m very passionate about this and I realized there’s not a ton of people thinking about it. By God, I am not going to sleep until we get there. This is the call to action.

Julian Sage:                       21:35                    So going back to what we were talking about earlier, because I think it’s important is you said you know for a fact that these States are going to be moving forward and they’re probably going to keep holding these types of tight restrictions just because of the players in play, because of the lack of real standards that short term rental hosts don’t have, you know, a lot of hosts right now during this time they’ve been trying to follow CDC guidelines. They’ve been trying to make sure that their places are more well suited. Because there, there has been no real standard for that and the hotels are pointing that out saying, Hey, you know, these guys aren’t following the rules, which is why you got to shut them down. How are you and how should hosts be moving forward to be able to have more legitimacy, have more strength in, in the local States so that we can keep operating?

David Krauss:                     22:29                    It’s a great question. I’m going to take it in two parts and I want to add one, one element. So when, when you think of the bands or restrictions that are out there right now, I support them from a public health standpoint. What I don’t support is when they start to bifurcate that decision about lodging between hotels and short term rentals and say short term rentals are not essentials and hotels are.

David Krauss:                     22:59                    That’s a really big problem because if you go to rentresponsbily.org right now, we have about five stories of people taking in either a medical patient non-related to COVID who would otherwise have to go into what a hotel environment where there’s a lot of common area and these are immunocompromised people. Short term rentals really do have a value add and are an essential lodging option in that regard. The idea of how do we advocate for ourselves is twofold. Number one is we need data and that’s where that survey project comes in launching next week. And number two is stories to make these tell people, understand why when we say short term rentals actually are essential. People aren’t thinking about, you know, the party house down the street or whatever kind of preconceived notion that has been promoted about our space.

David Krauss:                     23:56                    All that being said, there’s going to be lawsuits and constitutional issues and a lot of this stuff will just have to play out and go through the system of, of how we undo very heavy restrictions. But how do we accelerate that? How do we advocate for ourselves? Here’s how it’s done. We are local, everybody is local somewhere, everybody is local somewhere and everybody employs local people, housekeepers, et cetera to keep their business running. That is our core value. And the way to turn that fact into something that creates a, let’s call it advocacy outcomes, is to organize and to be active and proactive. So prior to [inaudible] rent responsible is dedicated to building a strength where there was a lot of energy but disorganization and that becomes when you align and you start rowing in the same direction, we build strength in terms of community power, political power, advocacy, power.

David Krauss:                     25:05                    So it’s even more important. Now I’m going to probably plug this a couple of times on the show cause I really am passionate about this and we can’t help folks if they don’t get involved. Then the next question is how do you get involved? The easiest thing you can do and it’s free and it always will be free. It’s sign up at rentresponsibility.org and just sign up. And I think at the bottom of the homepage it says join the cause. If you do that, we’ll have your zip code and we can start to get you involved in what’s already happening or maybe it’s write a letter to your congressperson. Right now, there’s so many tools that we work with and partners is literally one click and send and then you’re done. If we don’t have people doing that, we’re never going to get anywhere that’s at minimum. At maximum, start a group if it doesn’t exist. David@Rentresponsibility.Org we are built to help you advocate for yourself cause you’re local where you are. I’m not local where you are. There is Jack shit that we can do for you if you’re not involved and we can’t help you if we can’t connect with you. So that’s kind of where I go with that.

Julian Sage:                       26:11                    Awesome. Yeah, and we’ll, we’ll include all of the links in the show notes. It is such an important part. I really hope that you know, even just talking with you, David. I wasn’t really thinking about the long lasting impact of how this can play out. We’ve been hearing about all these States that have been getting shut down, but it’s just, we’re thinking, Oh, well, you know, if we’re not in that state, it’s just kinda like, you know, I feel bad for them, but you know, there’s nothing that we can really do. But even just moving forward and, you know, how hosts are going to be able to recover from this, you know, how States are going to respond to, I think it’s really important. You know, now more than ever we need re we really need to be coming together to be able to keep this business alive and, and, you know, allow us to be able to keep on hosting.

David Krauss:                     26:54                    Yeah. And let me just tell you a real concrete example of how powerful it is to be proactive and to actually you know, get involved in and just advocating, telling our story. So there was a manager in Philadelphia, he reached out to the city and said, look, all these cancellations left, you know, I think it was eight to 10 units that he was managing completely vacant. Right. Everybody experienced that in March specifically. And the gentleman said to the city, I want to be helpful. I’m not going to ask for much in terms of money at all, but I want to be helpful. Here’s what I have, you know, these, these private apartments and and you know, what can we do? Well, the city pass them around. And finally I got to the emergency management part of the city. Mmm. And that division said, wow, this was a quote unquote, wow.

David Krauss:                     27:57                    I did not know that this resource existed in our city. We definitely need your help. What can we do? They signed a contract and now the emergency workers that are coming in. And so, I don’t know if it’s like firefighters and police that don’t want to go home or FEMA representatives, but they’re now the city is using these units as comfortable long term. You know, the whole, all the things that short term rentals are to begin with. And that is like now think about when Philadelphia goes to think about regulating or advocating for, is this an essential business or not? It’s just, I mean, without first of all, without us knowing that story and rent responsible is fundamentally a bigger megaphone for a small, like an individual story can get out there and we want to be that conduit for it. So if anybody listening has any stories of hosting a medical related stay hosting a stranded traveler or a student who got kicked off campus, or even just a first responder who didn’t want to go home, anything that would allow us to really say what has happened during Kobe because this stories are everywhere.

David Krauss:                     29:19                    If we don’t capture them and tell them we’re losing, again, an opportunity to really advocate for yourselves. And last but not least, these stories are powerful. They really are. We’ve had one story that I love the most is support for housekeepers and initiative. So a good friend of mine, cliff Johnson put together a housekeeper relief fund. And so many people donated to it. It was basically you give money, we’re going to take, we’re going to directly put it in the hands of housekeepers who are struggling more than anybody. And it went so well. He’s now transferring that fond into a nonprofit that he was affiliated with anyways. And it’s going to be a continuous fund. So let’s say a cleaner has you know, medical bills they can’t pay and it will be this kind of, it’s very, you know, Jermaine and organic in our industry to help people. We’re in hospitality. So we need to capture that. We need to keep doing that. We take on the responsibility of broadcasting it. We just need folks to tell us about it and to sign up so we can activate when needed.

Julian Sage:                       30:27                    Awesome. Awesome. Yeah, that, that, that is so key. And you know, with, with that, if, if there are any hosts and if you, if you want to broadcast the message, David, you know, you, you know how to reach me and we can definitely use the platform success stories platform to highlight those types of individuals as well. And so kind of last thing is what are you doing personally during this whole time moving forward? You know, prior to the conversation when we hit record, you’re talking about some of the things that you’re doing you know, in your life to be able to support moving forward. Because there’s, there’s a lot of stress in the space. There’s a lot of people that are worrying about the money, the, you know, the, the loans getting dried up people that, you know, their, their units are getting shut down. But, you know, right now, more than ever you know, we need to be doing things to support us mentally, emotionally. What are some of those things that you are doing in your life?

David Krauss:                     31:16                    Sure. glad you gave me an opportunity to talk about this. I know we talked about it before you hit record and I was like, eh, it’s a little off topic, but we’ll just go with it. Let’s talk about it. So short story, I was on a a mastermind actually invited by one of my short term rental friends in Denver. Joe pergola, shout out to join him and a group of like 30 or 40 other folks from around the country and around the world talking about how they’re, they’re all business leaders. So talking about how they’re dealing with Covidien, both personally and professionally. And the one thing that came up, I mean, whether it was a beer brewer, a restaurant tour, there’s one guy who sold like hiking equipment and online and then, and then a personal coach and a chiropractor, like literally everything. And everybody kept talking about how they’re focusing on their personal care, which self care was the word, but personal habits, personal things, physically, mentally, mind, body, spirit, that sort of stuff. And it just came up like over and over again. They said, if I’m going to be a strong leader for my team, I need to take care of myself first.

David Krauss:                     32:28                    And you hear that now and again in, in just pop, you know, like whatever popular culture or just like, you know, take care of yourself and all that. But I think in this moment it really, again, a crucible moment where you’re, you’re boiling off all the things that don’t seem to matter that much and saying what really matters the most. And I think a lot of people have realized that being quarantined, spending more time with people that you, you know, your loved ones that maybe you don’t get to spend a lot of time with and then just complete habit disruption. So one of my favorite quotes of all time is I might butcher it a little bit, but like tra travel is not changing your location, it’s changing your habits. And I, I just love that idea that this moment is tough way to phrase it.

David Krauss:                     33:14                    But I appreciated the fact that this moment has given me an opportunity personally to completely throw away whatever habits I was in. So to your question, I took I thought I’ve been working on like my morning routine and this book, miracle morning, my buddy Mike Sjogren got me into this stuff. Shout out Mo. And he, you know, I just, I thought, okay, what is my perfect morning look like? So between six and 8:00 AM I think for like 12 of the last 14 days I got up, ran, took a shower or pushups, sit ups, shower, meditate, journal, sit at my desk. And like almost not exactly a clockwork, but somewhere between seven 30 and eight, I’m sitting at my desk and I’m like, Holy shit, I am so clear-minded you get up the same time so you get tired around the same time I just turned myself into a little bit of a machine and it is, that was my, that was my self care reaction was like, okay, there’s dialing your morning and then everything can lever off of that.

David Krauss:                     34:17                    So if anybody wants to chat about that sort of silliness and, and you know what they’re doing, you know, my, I like running, I’ve been posting some stuff about that, but Mmm. Kind of turned into a little bit of a self care guy. I was a fat ass two years ago and really liked to do any of this stuff. You know, had a couple, too many adult beverages now and again, and like I’ve been, you know, I’m on day 107, 107 of sobriety, like, so I’m a little indexed over towards like kind of insane on it right now, which is, you know, it’s whatever. But but you know, this is an insane time and I need to lead some people, so I’m just dialing it in and I recommend anybody just try and make one incremental improvement and stick with it for at least two weeks. See what happens.

Julian Sage:                       35:07                    No, yeah, I, you know, I was, it, I think it’s how, how L rod is with miracle morning. But yeah, I can, I can attest to, to, to that. You know, for, for me, I’ve been waking up, you know, I was, I was really taking a hit on, on just everything. Just, you know, myself personally, I was, I was burnt out. I was questioning if I was depressed or if I was just burnt out and I didn’t, you know, even just opening a computer screen, you know, a few weeks ago, it was like, you know, with all the tabs and all the different things, they’re just like, I felt overwhelmed. So, you know, I had to decompress. And then I started going back to just like what I know, which is, you know, I know people do well when they do the miracle morning when you, when you work out, when you meditate, when you journal.

Julian Sage:                       35:54                    And so I started doing that as well and you know, so every morning now that’s part of my, my ritual is I wake up, you know, I don’t check my phone. You know, I’ll just staff the social media and I’ll have a morning where it’s like I meditate, I journal, I think. And I also decompress, you know, I watched, I watched a whole season of a whole binged of Ozark, so I went through all three seasons. It was a good show. But yeah, I think, I think personal care is so important. What you’re doing is, is really important, David, and you know, we appreciate you. That’s why I love having you on the show to help you know, help be that megaphone for the people that, that need their, their stories shared. And, you know know, so thank you for that.

David Krauss:                     36:36                    It’s my pleasure. And I appreciate what you do. You’re, you know, you’re, you’re out here educating people, you’re sharing, I know you’ve become the, you know, predominant podcasts are in the space. And I, I really, I love watching the rise and being on a small part of this, so it’s my pleasure. And I’ll leave. Can I leave people with one thought as well? You know, when you’re in the, you know, we’re in the eye of the storm, like I think we’re maybe coming to the other side, but who knows? And it’s going to be prolonged, right? Like the whole nature of this beast is it, you know, we don’t, we don’t know how long things last at least the year plus for a vaccine. Right? So there’s no short, nobody’s claiming short, short sprint here. What does that like think about your life on the other side of whatever a unknown timeline looks like.

David Krauss:                     37:33                    And I think the people who really embrace this disruptive moment as an opportunity you know, the financial side is, is nothing to be ignorant about for yourself and other people. But you know, we don’t get to choose these sort of things, what we do get to choose what we do about them. And so I think I, you know, luckily was in a position where I personally, I had enough clarity about what I wanted to do that it gave me a real clear shot for what COBIT has meant for myself and rent responsibly. I don’t think Garrett, you know, no, not everybody has that clarity from the minute they get started, but get clear on what you want to be, who you want to be a year from now, and also get clear about, you know, what you haven’t done or put off. And if one of those things that you’ve put off is signing up for rent responsibility.org

Julian Sage:                       38:33                    Now is the time the

David Krauss:                     38:37                    No, it’s, I hate to be such a shrill for, but honestly, like we don’t ask for much and we’re willing to do 99% of the work. That’s really the only call to action that we ask is let us help you. Right? I dunno how many people make a sales special like that, but aye, I’m very passionate. I’ll do 99% of the work. I just need to need to get a need to get folks who are local somewhere to help us. You know,

Julian Sage:                       39:03                    I just, I just want to piggyback off of that. You know, for those of you that are listening you know, I’ve, I’ve, I’ve only been in the space for about a year now. You know, the podcast is about a year old. But just the amount of support and, you know, this is such a small community, you know, for all the, all the listeners, for the host nation family, David is your friend David is the guy that you go to when you want to have your message heard, when you want other people to know about, you know, what you’re going through, you know, he really is an ear. You know, my myself included, you know, it’s such a small community. We needed to be able to support each other.

Julian Sage:                       39:42                    It’s not like the general real estate public where it’s like, you know, you have a bunch of different voices, a bunch of different talking heads. You don’t know who to trust and you don’t know who’s on your side. But you know, we, you know, this being such a small community, the people that are, you know, passionate, the people that are good natured and friendly, they, they stick together and they help support each other. And that’s why we like, you know, having David on the show here. So for those of you that are listening you know, do part of your, part of being the host nation family B being a host is supporting each other. So definitely again, you know if you want to have our voices unified, if you want to be able to help support each other you know, go to rent responsibly, do your part and be active in the groups, you know if you, if you’re struggling, don’t just stop listening to the show. Don’t just stop hosting you know reach out to us, you know, David or I, you know, we’re just a message away and we’d love to be able to talk with you. All right. And with that, thank you so much David. And until next time, host nation, keep on hosting.

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